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soulcrusher
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:59 pm |
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Actually, throttling is very simple. Bell throttles p2p protocols (ie. torrents) every day between 4pm to 2am. During this time, the download speeds are limited to 30 KB/s total for all your torrents (sometimes other people have reported it to be as high as 60 KB/s). However, you won't go higher than your throttled download speed.
Upload speeds are not throttled as this is not Bell's main area of concern (oddly though, Rogers throttles upload speeds, but not download speeds).
So for me, I can reach over 500 KB/s. Without the workaround, I will only reach a max of 30 KB/s between 4pm to 2am. With the workaround, there is no 30 KB/s limit.
But please don't think that with no throttling, you should always be above 30 KB/s. Download speeds depend on various things and just because you are downloading below 30 KB/s, it does not necessarily mean you are being throttled. For instance, right now I am only downloading one torrent and it is averaging around 25 KB/s. However, I know that I am not throttled because if I start another high-speed torrent which I keep in my queue, it always reaches over 300 KB/s within a minute.
Anyhow, without the workaround, if you don't go over 30 KB/s (or up to 60 KB/s if you are "lucky") between 4pm and 2am ... then you are being throttled.
To test if you are throttled, you should use a popular torrent. Start it up without the workaround and see what speeds you get after a minute. If it doesn't go over the throttled limit, then you are throttled. Then use the workaround and start up the torrent again. You should get well over the throttled speed. Go to this thread and get an openoffice.org torrent for your test.
viewtopic.php?p=28199#28199
By the way, I should first ask: what is your max speed for your DSL connection? For instance, if you are on a 512 kbps connection, that is equivalent to 64 KB/s, and you may not see any difference between a throttled and unthrottled connection.
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Stephen_H
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:30 am |
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WOW NICE EXPLANATION. I guess I'm not being throttled then. My speeds always exceed 60 kB/s. Does throttling happen to everyone or just some individuals?
My bandwidth is 6016 kb/s Download 728 kb/s Upload. I guess I have a pretty nice line, since I'm only 0.3 KM away from the CO.
Anyways I'll still follow your steps in setting up BitVise, just in case this might happen to me in the future. If I encounter any problems i'll know who to ask
Thanks for the help.
Quote: June 23, 2008 - With more testing, it has now been determined that with public trackers (and possibly with private trackers that use passkeys), you are connectable (albeit limited), even with the proxy server being used. But it is not through the proxy server that makes you connectable. You can read more here.
I guess this applies to me. I'm on a private tracker which uses a passkey to identify its users. uTorrent has a green light and the test got passed saying I am indeed connectable., but the tracker says I'm not  Is this suppose to happen?
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taylor
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:33 am |
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Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:21 pm Posts: 2323 Location: Russell, Ontario
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Hmm, that's interesting. Are you sure Rogers only throttles upload speed?
Thanks,
Taylor
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soulcrusher
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:52 pm |
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taylor wrote: Hmm, that's interesting. Are you sure Rogers only throttles upload speed?
No ... not really. It's only what I have read from Rogers users when they post in the DSL threads. People say that they get good download speeds but almost no upload speeds.
I think the upload speeds are really affected because of the shared bandwidth of cable. I just found this and it is an interesting thread that talks about the upload limitations of cable:
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r202468 ... sage-plans
Perhaps downloading is throttled as well, but it's not to the extent where Bell caps it at 30 KB/s. I don't know and am not really too interested to find out as I will most likely never use cable. 
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soulcrusher
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:07 pm |
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Stephen_H wrote: Quote: June 23, 2008 - With more testing, it has now been determined that with public trackers (and possibly with private trackers that use passkeys), you are connectable (albeit limited), even with the proxy server being used. But it is not through the proxy server that makes you connectable. You can read more here. I guess this applies to me. I'm on a private tracker which uses a passkey to identify its users. uTorrent has a green light and the test got passed saying I am indeed connectable., but the tracker says I'm not  Is this suppose to happen?
Unfortunately, I don't use any private trackers that uses passkeys ... so I'm not sure exactly how it works.
When this happens, are you using the workaround? If it is, then what does your tracker say when you are not using the workaround?
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Stephen_H
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:21 pm |
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My port is actually forwarded properly on a static ip. Without the workaround the tracker says i am "connectable". With the workaround it says i am not. The client itself though still says that I'm connectable (green light on uTorrent)
I am guessing that it is NOT a bug at all. The tracker just realizes that i am conncting through a proxy tunnel (workaround) therefore it is saying I am NOT Connectable because of the Proxy. This is perfectly fine. I am not sure if you are able to still be Connectable while using this workaround.
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soulcrusher
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:46 pm |
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Stephen_H wrote: My port is actually forwarded properly on a static ip. Without the workaround the tracker says i am "connectable". With the workaround it says i am not. The client itself though still says that I'm connectable (green light on uTorrent)
I am guessing that it is NOT a bug at all. The tracker just realizes that i am conncting through a proxy tunnel (workaround) therefore it is saying I am NOT Connectable because of the Proxy. This is perfectly fine. I am not sure if you are able to still be Connectable while using this workaround.
This can be explained in an earlier thread from this post:
viewtopic.php?p=30653#30653
I had hoped that with passkeys, you would be flagged as connectable by your tracker since the torrents themselves are not limited by the IP address but work through the passkey, but you have just verified that this is not the case.
However, as explained in the above post, you are still actually connectable with public trackers ... so perhaps you can at least test out whether or not you are connectable with passkeys (regardless of what the tracker says).
The way to find out is to start your torrent with the workaround. And look at the peers that you are connected to for that torrent. Under the Flags column, check to see if there are any peers that have an "I" in it. For reference, take a look at the second image in the above link.
If you can post your findings, it would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
soulcrusher
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Stephen_H
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:57 am |
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I noticed that on public trackers that do NOT require a Passkey I am getting "I" from my peers, but on trackers that DO require a Passkey I do not get any "I". So i am guessing on Private trackers that require a Passkey i am not getting any Peer with Incoming Connections.
Overall...µTorrent says I am Connectable, because my port is forwarded, yet the tracker says I am not.
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mikecz
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:04 pm |
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maybe your private tracker does not allow usage of a proxy
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taylor
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:16 pm |
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Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:21 pm Posts: 2323 Location: Russell, Ontario
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If you use uTorrent, set the reported IP to nx.acanac.net
That should help those of you with a private tracker.
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Stephen_H
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:33 pm |
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taylor wrote: If you use uTorrent, set the reported IP to nx.acanac.net
That should help those of you with a private tracker. you mean set: IP/Hostname to report to tracker: "nx.acanac.net" ? How does this help with private trackers?
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taylor
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:19 pm |
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OOPS,
Sorry,
I mean set it to your IP address. This will allow trackers such as Demonoid to verify you are the person that downloaded that torrent. OR you could just login to the tracker from the Online PC.
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Stephen_H
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:00 pm |
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how would i do that? mind explaining please.
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taylor
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:48 pm |
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Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:21 pm Posts: 2323 Location: Russell, Ontario
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Step 1.
Go to this link, to find your WAN IP. Make a note of your Wan IP address.
Step 2.
I uTorrent, press Options --> Preferences. Navigate to BitTorrent, and enter your IP address in the IP/Hostname to report to tracker field. Click OK.
Step 3.
Download a torrent from your favorite private tracker, and under the General tab, check the tracker status. If it says Status OK, or at least doesn't have something containing the word "Error", everything should be working.
Notes:
1.I forgot to mention that this is currently untested by myself, it is still an unproven theory, that I created.
2.If you use a residential account, or have a Dynamic IP address, you may have to repeat this every now and then. If you have a Static IP address, you will most likely only have to do this once. If you do not know weather you have a Static or Dynamic IP address, then you probably never bothered to request a Static IP, and you are probably using a Dynamic IP address. You can always request a Static IP address at staticrequest@acanac.com.
Enjoy your lightning fast torrents!
Taylor
Last edited by taylor on Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Fergless
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:52 pm |
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Quote: I forgot to mention that this is currently untested by myself, it is still an unproven theory, that I created
LOL.  Hey Taylor, hope it works.LOL 
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